The first things we have to dust off are the “FREEBIES.” Mr. Gutierrez says the Hispanics were scared of the GOP Party. Come on, you have to be honest. The Hispanics dropped family values and religion in favor of the freebies. Free will always win out. The money spent on freebies came from the stimulus program. The stimulus money was supposed to be spent on roads, schools, and trains. We need to start upgrading this country. Congress, I thought you were in charge of the purse? Mr. Congress leader – nice doesn’t get it! How about Chicago hard ball Mr. Congress leader!
kommonsentsjane
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The vast, vast majority of Federal spending goes to the elderly and the military. Insulting Latinos as wanting free stuff is not only unhelpful to conservatism, but inaccurate.
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Yes, that is true; but, you have to understand we pay into the system until we retire. If you are latino and paid into the system your whole life then you are entitled to your retirement. But, what happened the government started using this fund to give money to people that did not pay into it. We go to Mexico all of the time and I checked into what kind of |freebies” I could get as a noncitizen or if I had a dual citizenship, They told me I would have had to be born in Mexico to be entitled to any “freebies.” So as I have said America is a generous country. What I do not understand – all of the people who come from Mexico love Mexico but don’t stay there and fight for their rights? And then they come come here and do not want to adapt to America’s way of life only take the benefits. That I do not understand!
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First, Mexico is a poor and developing country. America is the richest nation on the planet. Comparing the two is not very useful.
Second, the narrative that Latinos vote Democratic because of freebies is inaccurate: we all want government services. There will always be people who receive them without paying into the system, newborn babies on medicare come to mind, as do children attending public school and universities.
How many Latinos do you think just became American citizens right before they voted and never held a job in America ever? Those would be the only one’s who, “voted for free stuff,” without paying into the system.
Latinos voted for Obama because he doesn’t insult them. They have a low net worth and have a disproportionate amount of agricultural jobs (that legally pay less than minimum wage) compared to whites, so the security of a safety net is understandable. That’s the truth of why Latinos fled the GOP. They are offered nothing attractive by mindless individualism.
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One additional comment. What does “mindless individualism” mean?
kommonsentsjane.
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Why does Mexico continue to be a poor and underdeveloped country? Pls. address that! You have a rich country – oil, silver,, manufacturing, hotels, etc. and have been in existance longer than the U.S. The young people in the hotels in Mexico only make $6 per day – why is that happening? Yes, regarding the babies – that is a loop hole in our system that needs to be changed. It was only intended for the black slave babies and as usual is being abused. No, Obama does not insult latinos, he uses them because he promises all of these freebies that he knows he cannot deliver – but they believe him. He has exported more latinos during his four years as President than any President in history (check it out) – the new media just does not report it. The latinos fled the GOP because the GOP wanted to set up a system that was legal and fair. Why should anyone be bribed to be in a party?. In America our system is such that when you enter a job you start at the bottom and work your way up the ladder. The agricultural people that you talk about – are they uneducated and do not speak English? I feel that the green card for these people is the thing to do. The problem when you overload a country with immigrants that are not legal and are not educated it presents a society that is not balanced. – it drags down the rest of society, and it uses monies that should be used for legally, poor people, burdens our educational system, burdens our medical system – so now we are broke from trying to work the broken system. It is my understanding that when people come to America legally that they have to have a sponsor, have a job, and have a college degree in order to live here. The people that come here that are not legal present a problem because they are a burden to society and are not accounted for in our system of checks and balances.. . When I go to Mexico, I fill out a form that reports to the government how long I plan to stay and where I can be located. When that time is up – I have to leave or ask for an extension. So why should it be different here? We have travelled all over the world and they are just like Mexico – very strict in entering and leaving a country. Hope this helps. I love Mexico and its people.
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No, I meant all babies. Babies do not work and pay taxes, and are therefore moochers by your logic. School children also do not work up until a certain age and have not earned their ‘welfare’ in the form of public education, correct?
Your original post mentioned nothing of illegal immigrants. By definition, they cannot vote. Voters are American citizens. Nothing you wrote demonstrates the Obama administration giving ‘freebies’ to Latino voters.
If you come to America legally, with a visa, that will include an expiration. You must leave at that point, just like with any visa. I do not understand what you are trying to get at with the visa thing.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say here at all. Also, I do not need to address why Mexico has a lower per capita income than the US. What does that have to do with Obama giving free stuff to Latinos?
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Re your babies question – I am talking about all anchor babies. Re children – the taxpayer is burdened with the additional cost for children who are not legal and attend school in America. It is also a burden on our hospitals.
You were the one that stated that Mexico was a poor and developing country and I asked why? Is it the leadership?
Re your question about voting – no you are not suppose to vote if you are not legal – but it does happen because of the corruption in the democratic party.
I am not talking about people with visas – I am talking about people who are not legally here – which we have a lot of them here.
What does “mindless individualism mean?” Does it mean not wanting to be responsible for yourself? In America we are taught to be responsible for ourselves. Any one that is responsible is certainly not mindless.
I was not trying to insult anyone – but a lot of people want to take the “feebies” but don’t want to be reminded that someone else is paying for them. They want to think that they are entitled to them.
If you are latino – that is good – all cultures are raised differently and I happen to think you have to come to America legally. Sorry we disagree.
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I understand you are talking about those things in your most recent comment. Your original post was concerning ‘freebies’ given to Latinos in exchange for votes. You have gone onto many tangents, while I am only refuting your original post.
‘Mindless individualism’ is the failure to find balance between individual liberties and collective or community responsibilities. In America we are taught to be responsible for ourselves while also being responsible for each other. Its one of the main tension points in American political thought.
You have missed my point about babies entirely. You stated that you were mad that people accept public services without paying into the system, as Social Security and Medicare recipients have mostly done. Babies have not paid in, nor have young school children, but they consume public services.
I am attempting to refute the narrative that Latinos fled the GOP because Obama gave them free stuff. It is just incorrect. You then began talking about illegal immigrants, who cannot vote. None of your comments address what I am saying in any way.
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My original post was to point out that the latino vote voted for Obama because they wanted the “freebies.” Which is true – in my opinion. It is not true in your opinion. And that is okay too. All of the other items that you will not discuss – you brought into the picture as excuses and that is okay too. You will make a good democrat. That is what is good about America you can believe as you wish and the same for me. Thank you for the conversation.
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As a matter of fact I am not a Dem. You posted that Latinos want free stuff and therefore voted Obama, but when challenged on this constantly steered the conversation towards other issues such as illegal immigrants using social services.
I’d be happy to talk about any of these other issues, once you’ve addresses my original point. You put an opinion out there in the blog-o-sphere, not me. When someone challenges a specific point you make, it is simply courteous to address it, or acknowledge you may have been slightly inaccurate, then move on toward other issues you may want to discuss.
Cheers.
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We have allowed too many people to enter the country that are not legal. Do you agree with that?
It has overloaded our schools, towns, and medical facilties. Do you agree with that?
We are out of money as a country due to the overload? Do you agree with that?
We have too many people accepting “freebies?” Do you agree with that?
Why does it bother you that I have an opinion out there in the blogosphere?
kommonsentsjane
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It bothers me that instead of addressing my original comment, you keep changing the subject. I’ll just take that as you being too prideful to admit your post was inaccurate. Good day.
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Sorry to disappoint you but you are the one that won’t debate fairly. You keep changing the narrative. My argument is based o facts and your argument is called “bait and switch.” I would suggest you become a democrat. As you said I think this subject has been chewed on enough. You are a good sport.
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